The mystery of the missing “Black Operations” submarines off the Chinese Taiwan coasts

Here’s another post that you simply will not find anywhere else on the Internet. And, you know, I tire of my own sluggishness in trying to understand the great failure of the American “free media”. Even I realize that there is no such thing as actual “news” in the West, but really guys it’s not too FUCKING DIFFICULT. You look for what is not being reported and stay alert for distractions.

What’s the biggest distraction this August 2021?

Why it is the fucked up, terribly botched evacuation of American military out of Kabul, Afghanistan. That’s ONE FUCK of a distraction.

Ok, then, let’s scour the “news” for oddities and pieces that might point to a major event that the United States government might want to hide, or distract others from looking into.

And, whoa…

But first a major comment from Singapore.

Turn up your speaker and listen to these wise words. And if you don’t understand them, play them over and over (on repeat) until it sinks into your fucking skull. Deprogram your mind God damn it. Click on the picture and watch the video until you tire of the simple, simple message.

A missing special operations submarine in the South China Sea

There have been substantive black operations in and around Taiwan since 2019. In all, the Untied States Navy has been doing all sorts of things in the area along the coasts of China and Taiwan. And after the April 2021 Anchorage, Alaska “meeting”, China laid down the line. They established “Red Lines” that WILL result in military conflict if they are ignored.

Of course, the brain dead people (are they actually people?) in Washington DC dismiss these threats as simple “posturing” and rhetoric.

There is every evidence to suggest that the United States has been conducting illegal and sensitive black operations inside of Chinese and Taiwan territories, and that China took aggressive military action against them. Or in other words, sank the submarines and set the hundreds of sailors and SEALs to their deaths in steel coffins in the deep dark seas.

American Submarines break cover

The U.S. Navy rarely publicizes even the routine operations of its own submarines. Stealth, both tactical and operational, is the Silent Service’s greatest strength, after all. But the Americans made a series of exceptions in June as new Chinese and Russian subs surfaced.

The Navy posted photos of the Washington-based USS Seawolf sailing alongside the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson off Hawaii on June 22, 2021 the same time a Russian naval task force was exercising near the island.

The 353-foot-long, nuclear-powered Seawolf is the lead vessel in a three-ship class that also includes USS Jimmy Carter, the U.S. fleet’s secretive special-mission submarine. Jimmy Carter also made a rare appearance when an airline-passenger photographed the boat sailing from San Diego towards Hawaii on June 8, 2021.

Seawolf and her sister USS Connecticut are bigger and faster than the newer Virginia-class attack boats are and, in many ways, represent the future of undersea warfare more than the Virginias do.

The Navy optimized the Virginias for land-attack missions with Tomahawk cruise missiles, at the expense of their anti-submarine capabilities. But with the Chinese and Russian sub fleets steadily growing more powerful—the new Type 039 and Belgorod are exhibits A and B—the Americans want their next attack boat to be fast and heavily-armed with greater numbers of torpedoes and mines.

In other words, more like a Seawolf. Not coincidentally, the Navy also released a photo of sailors in Crete loading Mark 67 mines on the Los Angeles-class attack sub USS Montpelier on June 22.

Amid a wider collapse in U.S. long-range naval planning, the administration of U.S. president Joe Biden remains committed to spending as much as half of the Navy’s shipbuilding budget—around $20 billion annually—on attack submarines, including the next-generation SSN(X).

“The recent uptick in submarine images released by the U.S. Navy is quite noticeable,” tweeted Chris Cavas, host of the CavasShips Podcast. “Remembering that submarine have pride-of-place in Department of the Navy budget calculations.”

So, we know that the US Navy is all over the South China Sea

But it is more than that.

We notice and are paying attending to what they are actually doing. Their movements are all recorded in great detail. With the most obvious being the surface ships, and the aircraft. Not so well known are the movements of the “Black Operations” submarines.

All 2021 has been stories about major Naval Operations in the South Pacific Sea.

The “excuse” has always been to protect the freedom of navigation in those waters off the Chinese coast. But that excuse is just that.

A fucking excuse.

Any person with half a brain cell and who knows what a globe looks like can easily see that the USN is up to no good. But Americans have been dumbed down so terribly that they are lucky to be able to hold a spoon, let alone calculate how to count to ten.

Think people!

Think!

And we know that ALL of the “Special Operations” submarines are in operation all around Taiwan

How do we know?

It’s by deduction. Duh!

We know that the submarines work work in covert operations and carry SEAL teams. While they perform such tasks as tapping into fiber optic undersea cables and the like, they are all equipped with landing bays that carry “miniature troop insertion submarines” designed to carry SEAL teams close to the coastlines for insertion into “enemy territory”.

And they are all rotating in and around Hawaii. Are they planning to invade Bora Bora? Performing secretive missions around Tahiti? Going to lay secret operations in Pago Pago?

Nope. It’s all China.

Special Operations submarines showing the landing bays for the SEAL secretive assault troops.

The four converted ballistic missile submarines are so much more than Tomahawk slingers and transports for Navy SEALs.

Today, the U.S. Navy’s quartet of converted Ohio class nuclear-powered guided-missile submarines, or SSGNs, are among America’s most powerful, in-demand, and flexible weapons. These giant and secretive submarines are known for their ability to carry up to 154 Tomahawk land-attack cruise missiles and dozens of special operations frogmen into contested territory to ply their quiet trade, but really, they are much, much more than that.

A decade and a half ago, the U.S. Navy was testing incredible new capabilities that it would subsequently integrate into its four yet to be converted SSGNs, including one highly elaborate, but obscure proof of concept exercise that solidified the SSGN concept for the seagoing service. Here is the story of how these vessels came to be and the highly unique, if not exotic capabilities, from drone mothership to command and control center, they possess.

The Genesis of the Ohio SSGN

The decision to covert Ohio class SSBNs into SSGNs originated with the 1994 Nuclear Posture Review, which determined that only 14 of the 18 Ohio class boats were necessary to meet the United States’ nuclear deterrence needs. Eight years later, the Navy began actually converting the four oldest Ohio class submarines – USS Florida, USS Georgia, USS Michigan, and USS Ohio – into the new configuration.

The Navy had considered a number of potential configuration options for the new SSGNs. The concept that the service finally settled on retained 22 of the 24 missile tubes found on Ohio SSBNs, but modified them so that they were unable to fire Trident D5 nuclear-tipped submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). Instead, each one would be able to launch up to seven BGM-109 Tomahawks using a Multiple All-Up-Round Canister (MAC) adapter. The SLBM fire control systems were similarly replaced with ones for the Tomahawk.

Tubes one and two on each of the four SSGNs would be completely replaced with lockout chambers so combat divers and Navy SEALs could enter and exit the submarine underwater. Personnel could also install a Dry Deck Shelter (DDS) to the top of the hull linked to either one of these modified tubes, or both if required, which could accommodate swimmer delivery vehicle (SDV) mini-submarines. As the name suggests, the DDS provides a fully enclosed, dry space to work in on the submarine’s deck, even while it is underwater.

The abortive Advanced SEAL Delivery System (ASDS) was supposed to have been able to directly dock with either one of these lockout chambers, as well. The Navy canceled the ASDS program in 2009 after cost overruns and other major setbacks, including a fire that had destroyed the original prototype the year before.

With a DDS installed, a number of additional tubes on the SSGNs would also be blocked off, so the Navy decided to make tubes three through 10 reconfigurable into storage space, if necessary. A dedicated berthing area for a typical contingent of 66 special operators, with a surge capacity of up 102 personnel, was added in the reconfigured missile compartment, as well.

More recent reporting has indicated that a typical load for these submarines is around 100 Tomahawks. This most likely represents between 14 and 16 fully loaded tubes, which would equate to between 98 and 112 missiles in total. This would leave between six and eight tubes available for storage or other purposes, something we will come back to later on in the story.

Beyond that, the SSGN configuration had an all-new a dedicated special operations mission control center and associated mission planning spaces.

It also included additional and improved sensor and communications antenna masts on the sail.

Other modifications that would allow these submarines to better operate in shallower waters closer to shore, were also likely involved with the conversion.

An intelligence nerve center

It’s hard to overstate how significant the intelligence fusion capabilities demonstrated during Silent Hammer were. For the experiment, Georgia had an embarked joint service command team onboard, who used modified spaces in the submarine to run a forward operations center that controlled other assets under the waves, riding on the surface, in the air, and on land. This was intended to reflect the capabilities that the submarine would have after going through the SSGN conversion, which would create new, more robust mission spaces for command and control elements and intelligence gathering personnel, among others.

This was the first time the Navy had ever done this as part of the development of the SSGN concept of operations and it put the operational commanders right in the thick of things in a whole new way. Unlike traditional surface command ships, such as the USS Blue Ridge, the Georgia was allowing these officers and their staff to direct forward operations while sailing concealed below the surface of the ocean. The submarine’s command center was linked to rear command centers, and their intelligence networks, via satellite. It also had direct data-link feeds from a number of other sources.

In the air, these included the Pelican, a highly modified, pilot-optional Cessna 337 propeller-driven aircraft, and a specially configured Sabreliner twin-engine business jet. The Pelican belonged to the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School’s Center for Interdisciplinary Remotely-Piloted Aircraft Studies (CIRPAS) and was configured at the time in a way that matched the capabilities of the MQ-1 Predator drone.

The Lincoln Lab also had their heavily modified Boeing 707 airliner, nicknamed Hannah, a well-known cutting-edge communications and sensor testbed, in the air playing the role of a airborne radar with synthetic aperture and ground-moving-target indicator capabilities. This effectively made it, in part, a surrogate for a U.S. Air Force E-8C Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (JSTARS) battlefield management command and control aircraft.

Navy EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare planes and EP-3E Aries II intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance aircraft also took part in Trident Warrior and fed information into this network of information sources.

Down below, Georgia was networked together with other vessels taking part in Trident Warrior, including two Los Angeles class fast attack submarines, the USS La Jolla and USS Pittsburgh. In addition, members of the Silent Hammer experiment team were on board the first in class amphibious assault ship USS Tarawa and the Wasp class USS Bonhomme Richard, which were also taking part in the larger exercise.

Ashore, U.S. Navy SEALs, along with other unspecified attached special operators, likely including U.S. Air Force Joint Tactical Air Controllers (JTAC), were in direct contact with Georgia. They emplaced their own “unattended” sensors to monitor for potential hostile activity and otherwise fed even more data back to the submarine.

We also know that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) supplied unspecified payloads, as well as sensor systems for the exercise. Georgia itself demonstrated how she might launch unmanned aircraft and an unmanned underwater vehicles (UUV) during the exercise to support intelligence collection efforts.

The very same intelligence collection aircraft are operating in the airspace around Taiwan RIGHT NOW

Imagine that!

Just a coincidence, don’t you know!

More than 700 patrols were conducted by US vessels and aircraft in the South China Sea region in the past year, according to a report by the National Institute for South China Sea Studies (NISCSS). As the US never ratified the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), its claims of protecting "freedom of navigation" is rather hollow. 

-ChinaPlus

Of course, you will never read about this in CNN, FOX “news”, Hall Turner, or Forbes. Those just provide bullshit for a dumbed down citizenry. Real secrets are secret.

But all over Chinese media are reports of these intelligence gathering aircraft, with videos of their interactions.

Reported that Davidson, by video link, to the U.S. think tank American enterprise research institute (AEI) talks. He declared that the Indo-Pacific region is one of the most critical regions in the world and will face many challenges between now and 2026.

Davidson spent much of his time describing the Pentagon's Pacific Deterrence Initiative, which he said was one of the priorities of the Department's annual budget. 

The U.S. Army India-Pacific Command has reported to Congress that it will increase the program's budget from $2.2 billion in fiscal year 2021 to $4.6 billion in fiscal year 2022 and plans to spend $27.3 billion over the next five years, the report said.

-美印太司令部宣称“助台增强防御力、持续对台军售”,网友讽刺:台湾保护费要涨了!

But there is something very interesting going on…

These aircraft are not “loitering” as part of operations so much as flying “search and rescue” scans in the deep ocean South of the Taiwan Coast.

What are they looking for?

What is going on? Check out the video.

Searching for something.

This is not a “loitering” SEAL support protocol. It’s all over the place in a limited geographical region.

Not deploying sonar buoys.

Doing something else.

Other curious events…

The timing of all these unusual intelligent gathering aircraft in “searching and recovery” flight paths occurred at the SAME TIME as the US Navy, broke all diplomatic protocol to land on Taiwan and deliver a “package” containing a “message” to the Military Representative in Taiwan.

Yes. It must have been one fuck of an important package to risk getting shot down and starting world war III in the process.

Much of the anti-China stuff is just noise…

The actual war is stealthy.

What you read is just hype.

Matt Drudge, ever the neocon (or whatever neocon interns he has running his site for him these days), is perhaps the biggest offender on this type of fake news. Right now if you go to his site, just the main page (drudgereport.com) you'll see *HUGE* red emblazoned text about "Marines in China!" and a giant picture of what looks like some sort of seafaring battalion of US troooooops getting ready to storm some shore or the other. He's worse than CNN, WaPo, WSJ or the NYT (of course he often links to those sources).

Interestingly, on actual left-leaning sites, there's nothing to be seen on the non-topic, but instead moooooore stories about Trump (they just can't stop themselves), the abortion bills and COVID related stuff.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 7 2021 21:41 utc | 32

Another day, same hype…

But what about proof?

Well, we all know that America is the most transparent and least secretive nation on the planet. It’s got that thing called “freedom”, and there is nothing more important than a “free press”. Right? So if they don’t report anything, that simply means that nothing is going on. Right?

Yada. Yada. Yada.

American view of themselves.

The United States is laying the foundations for a war.

That’s what is going on.

China realizes this and is getting mightily pissed. I can tell you that secret operations that go “tits up” are never recognized as an event. it is just hidden and compromised with other excuses.

When a submarine goes off the grid, the hundreds of sailors are quietly written off, and records state that they died in accidents.

The submarine itself is quietly “retired”, and nothing further is spoken of it.

Maybe one of these days the SEAL “Special Operations” submarines will sail into port without incidence.

You know like the broken and busted up Seawolf submarine that limped into Hawaii for “repairs” and urgent medical treatment for it’s crew when it had an incident in the South China Sea during “Mission 7”.

Ah, but what do I know…

And then we have this on 13SEP21

Conclusion

America will continue to wage a secretive war against China hidden away from public scrutiny up until nuclear weapons are detonated. Then we all won’t know what is going on, but we will know that America will be a radioactive wasteland no matter what happens in the rest of the world.

I told you all that the war would not be televised.

And it isn’t.

There are numerous missing submarines in the United States Navy. Not just the ones listed here, but attack submarines, and maybe even a “boomer”. All nuclear. And they are “sitting ducks” in the shallow South China Sea.

There’s a secret, silent war of stealth going on. If it goes visually kinetic, then it risks destroying the American economy “house of cards”. So this “war” must be hidden, quiet and done in stealth.

Most submarines are either sunk or “heavily damaged”. Those that are not sunk sail home “heavily damaged”. So far, we haven’t seem too many sail home damaged. But we will.

I would STRONGLY suggest you all watch the movie “Threads” to see the frightening similarities between this 1980’s movie and what is going on right now.

Oh…

And the mainstream press finally decides to report something….

8OCT21

U.S. Nuke Attack Submarine Suffers Underwater Collision…

Several sailors injured…

South China Sea mystery…

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Memory Loss

One down, two to go? Things are going to get real nasty if the USA does not back down. After ten plagues or so, I guess China has had enough.

But if a sub was sunk by military action, then the standard American way of reacting is to double down. Taiwanese referendum was supposed to be 28 August 2021. Now postponed to December because “covid”. Did the Americans tell the Taiwanese not to hold that referendum today?

A four-question referendum will be held in Taiwan on 18 December 2021. The vote was originally scheduled to take place on 28 August 2021, but was postponed until December due to the COVID-19 pandemic. All four questions are popular initiative. According to the Referendum Act, referendums can be held once every two years on the fourth Saturday of August and questions must gather a number of signatures equivalent to 1.5% of eligible voters (280,000) in order to qualify.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Taiwanese_referendum

Things could get very interesting indeed.

Ohio Guy

I do recall reading MM’s post last year of the upgrades to the Ohio class subs and the intelligence and data sharing capabilities with other craft and ground forces. Their deployments and apparent bloody nose(s) is not a big surprise. I doubt any real lessons will be learned by the dying tax collecting giant and it’s many tentacles of grift and graft.

In other news, I’ve decided to follow Bo Chen’s lead on front loading life. I’ve given my employer my two weeks notice of “retirement”. YAY for me!

Since it is now far too difficult to hire and keep semi intelligent folks in manufacturing the burden goes to the people with the intelligence and strength to keep operations running. This wasn’t a very hard choice either.

And as MM says, ” Something was pestering me pretty darn good” to make this choice. The timing of it all couldn’t be more perfect. Good news, I get more time to pester all my favorite peeps on this fine blog! Cheers everyone.

Ohio Guy

Thank YOU, wise one.

Bo Chen

Well a while back I used to play Dangerous Waters and then the upgraded to its spiritual successor called Cold Waters (both are also on Steam btw)

Nowadays I enjoy playing the Command: Modern Operations to simulate the Taiwan and SCS stuff… unfortunately only the PRO version of CMANO offers simulation of hypersonic glide vehicle weapons etc and they only sell that to governments etc and so its consumer version built in scenarios are heavily in favor of the US and doesn’t represent the Chinese side accurately

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1600/Dangerous_Waters/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/541210/Cold_Waters/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1076160/Command_Modern_Operations/

Now that you are retired I would say invest in a good gaming PC or computer system (things will only get much MORE expensive from here on out, TSMC just raised prices by 20%, the days of technology getting cheaper are fastly coming to an end) and spend some time learning some games/sims and getting lost in that… In my late 20’s I had a chance to take an entire year off work (paid) and did so and basically traveled world and did pc gaming for a year… and nope I don’t regret it at all…

I’m also happen to be a big flight sim fan… the latest Microsoft FS2020 is truly breathtaking from a graphical perspective but believe me needs expensive heavy duty PC rigs to power it at even reasonable frame rates… but I’m also very much a “systems” guy that loves the fidelity of interacting with the aircraft systems and the whole concept of ‘fly by data’ etc etc so for me the CBT based training such as the excellent Boeing 747 java-based computer desktop training sim from Aerowinx/Precision-Simulator still gives me hours of joy…

If you are interested and have the time, feel free to watch this short video I made to get started, unlike Microsoft or Prepar3D this java version runs on any old computer and doesn’t require beefy rigs…

https://vimeo.com/585151983

Ohio Guy

Bo Chen, thank you so much. It is an honor and privilege to have such an association with you.

pissedlizard

The both of you – it’s so freaking crazy. I am a big flight sim nerd too! I actually just upgraded my desktop to handle FSX and Xplane 10. I would love the newer versions but the cost for the machine is way out of my range.

I also feel guilty for using it – I tell myself “I could be fixing this or doing that” – typical hang ups.

And @Ohio Guy – you are right. The timing couldn’t be more perfect!

Bo Chen

Give Prepar3d (P3D) a try, you can get the “dev” version just 9 bucks a month. Its basically Lockheed Martin bought the FSX source code from Microsoft and then revamped it and its leaps and bounds better than FSX, and requires even less hardware….

Then check out this addon for P3D

https://pmdg.com/pmdg-777-200lr-f-base-package-for-prepar3d/

mtness

Ah, I play, therefore I am!

A programmer with a heart always strives to develop games.

My favourite pastimes on Steam at the moment is

Into the breach – a formidable piece of magnificent game design!

Looking forward to

Dyson Sphere Collective –
I am somehow pushed to that, too..
But more on that later.

Best regards, MT

Bo Chen

You mean Dyson Sphere Program? I dont know of any game called Dyson Sphere Collective… DSP is made by indie Chinese team of five devs…. it sold pretty well but personally Im not into factory games but I do like the quasi intellerstellar component of it…

Myst remake just came out two days ago….

Dani

Wow, As always, I am amazed with the knowledge, assessments and predictions I find here. We don’t and maybe we won’t ever find what happened.. I assume it was a mini sub or some kind of a small vehicle, not Ohio or Seawolf submarine. but it seems like another operation got wrong. same as I recall I read here about a marines amphibious vehicle lost near “California”..
After that I went reading and found this links interesting, It seems completely absurd, not rational and clearly not for the sake of American citizens and the world, yet the US is building and preparing for a major war.
And Thanks again.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/08/25/three-aircraft-carriers-dozens-of-stealth-fighters-a-powerful-allied-battle-group-has-gathered-near-china/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/08/24/the-us-marine-corps-just-sank-a-warship-it-needs-to-do-better/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/08/11/the-us-marines-corps-f-35c-and-the-5000-mile-strike-mission/

daegonmagus

Thank you for these articles MM. I never would have stumbled upon any of it simply because I didn’t know where to look. Your articles are giving me a great insight into finding out more about things I had a sneaking suspicion – more than most anyway – were happening behind closed doors. Kind of makes me think my years of learning survivalism may have been a wise investment of my time after all. I have been waiting for nukes to start flying since I was a kid. might invest in some potassium iodide in the next couple
of weeks

JustAnotherAsian

RC-135W Rivert Joint ELINT aircraft literally miles off China’s coast means vacuuming any electronic emissions.

pissedlizard

I have a question – why is the US Coast Guard there in the South China Sea???? The last time I looked at a map there were no US. Interdiction Zones anywhere near there and China seems perfectly capable of their own Search and Rescue.

So why is a giant white ship with a big red stripe on it doing THERE?

Yeah… hit a Navy vessel – nobody but a few on Fox News cares.

Hit a Coast Guard vessel – and it can be spun so many ways… “these poor Coast Guardsmen who are ONLY there to save lives and help the poor, downtrodden Taiwanese”…

What a show.

JustAnotherAsian

US Coast Guard Squadron One was activated for Vietnam war.

Not surprising to see US sending Coast Guard to SCS this time.

mtness

Addendum:
Recently I discovered this tune which sums up it up quite nicely:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=52Gg9CqhbP8&list=OLAK5uy_nvwCnHK6FExf5WQkePzzvqf21-3qargdU&index=2
Stuck in the Sound – Let’s go!

Cheers, MT

Ohio Guy

I’m forcing humor on you all…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkDAb4hlof0

Keff

Another great article MM.
Just one correction tho, the video at the beginning was not Japanese but the Singapore Prime Minister. Some months ago he also warned the US against making SE Asian countries choose between the US and China because the US may not like the answer. This is even more astounding as it came from what is sold in western media as one of the US strongest allies in the region. Singapore hosts US naval facilities and its military trains together often.

Doubtless nobody in Washington was listening to this PM as can be seen from the recent Harris debacle in the region.

Dani

MM, what do you suggest?
I don’t think the US is about to invade china with a task force of lets say a hundred delta force marines, even reinforced with the California LGBQX elite forces.

operations around this area is new and not so new .. last year the US had many flights around that area, what is different now?

well, submarines I assume.. and it’s getting hotter I get it, as so many attack subs with hundreds of missiles ( nuclear?) are near your coast.

but you are suggesting to an operation got wrong? if I was American, and reading their news they all talk about China is about to invade Taiwan, I will probably go for surveillance, booby traps, mines and so on.. a defensive posture.

for China I don’t see how invading Taiwan would be beneficial, it will only serve the American propaganda machine and the establishment. creating Chaos away from home with minimum casualties.
I believe that when the US regime will collapse, Taiwan will fall as a nice fruit into the cradle of China. War is not needed for that end.

Someone wrote here about a referendum, for the US regime it would be the best strategy using Taiwan as a bate. they don’t care about Taiwan more then they care about Ukraine or Afghanistan, let the Chinese bleed over Taiwan, let the Taiwanese bleed as from western point of view they are the same anyway. And we will be waiting for our chance to strike.

I can see this as It seems they moved their attention from the artificial Island belt to Taiwan. it seems they desist fighting China on Spartley Islands, and moved closer to the mainland. I do think this is a dangerous situation. and no country should accept a fleet of nuclear attack submarines on her door step. but how to deal with it, I think you need to deal with the gangster himself, and his family. and not with the boy he uses as a bait, a boy who actually might be a relative of yours.

Daniel

Ok, Thank you for answering.